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Will Femia is a Weblog enthusiast who, through good fortune and dumb luck, was introduced to the form as his position as chat producer for MSNBC.com careered into obsolescence. On any given day, Will can be found having already spent an unhealthy amount of time squinting at a computer screen.

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But do we have to see her thong?

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:43 AM by Will Femia

I spent some time yesterday debating with a colleague about the erotic (? for lack of a better word) depiction of Mary Jane in a new Marvel-sanctioned Spider Man figurine.  There's no question that it's oversexed and even misogyistic but I think the point of debate (which has enflamed some corners of the blogosphere) is whether it works contextually within the world of comics.  Comic book characters are already over-sexualized with their muscles and tight costumes. I would also argue that the comic figurine market is so narrow that it doesn't make sense to apply mainstream standards to it anyway.  BUT, what I can't deny is that this specific rendering of MJ makes her look like a low-rent stripper, which she isn't. So why demean the character like this?  And, more to the point of the people who object to the figurine, why would Marvel sanction such an image of their own character?

To be clear, I'm not arguing the bottom left corner of the unacceptable argument bingo card, that sexism is part of the genre, but rather that oversexed depictions are part of the genre. What's not on the bingo card is that male and female sexuality are apples and oranges, so the equality answer doesn't really work for me. NOTE: I think this is all safe for work, and might even pass the mother test (not embarrassed if your mother was sitting next to you when it came on the screen) but I don't think some of the images pass the bathroom test (leave it on your screen while you leave your desk for a few minutes leaving passers by to wonder what the heck you're looking at).

125 bucks for it is pretty obscene too, but again, the figurine market is a whole other animal.

Speaking of gender issues (and doesn't it seem like I do that a lot?), BlogHer is in Chicago this July.

I don't pay close enough attention to keep a running tally, but some bloggers cover the news closely when special privileges or considerations are given to Muslim groups. The impression is that Muslims are given special treatment to avoid offending them.  Glenn suggested that special treatment was the result of fear that offended Muslims will commit violence and further pointed out that it's a dangerous precedent that could lead to fanatics from other religious groups (Christians for example) resorting to violence as well to garner similar respect.  At least one Christian blogger took serious issue with that speculation, essentially arguing that Christianity is a religion of peace.  No one ever needed to get a religion right in order to use it as an excuse to do something completely off the wall. The subject reminds me of something I read recently about how the "Left Behind" series was contributing to a change in how Jesus is portrayed from hippie to a more robust and assertive character -if not exactly war-like (sorry, no link, the search terms are just too common). The character of religious figures is not a static as we often think.

The Real Story of JPG Magazine is almost more like a gossip item than a real Web trend but it's a dramatic story of a couple who start a project that grows out of their control and eventually leaves them behind.  The Metafilter reaction helps shape the story.

Speaking of photo drama, there's another story that's been developing of a photographer who found that her Flickr photos were being sold without her permission (and without sharing any of the money).  She raised the alarm and as these things go, a mob formed to attack the offending company.  As the mob became unruly, Flickr misunderstood the situation and cracked down on the photographer/victim.  Naturally this only inflamed things further.  You can click backward through all that if you're interested, but the part that's worth reviewing at this point is the Flickr co-founder who eventually got on the message board of "Flickr is censoring our photos and comments" and explained the whole thing took responsibility and apologized. Nice lesson. ADDING: Thomas Hawk has a longer summary with links and more to say.

Speaking of mobs becoming unruly, How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over Your Online Community - Introduces the terms "troll whisperer" and "disemvowelling."

Designing cities for people rather than cars - New anti-car urbanism is in some ways more exciting to me than environmentalism (even though they overlap) because it deals more with how we think about our surroundings than simply prescribing fixes to bad behavior.

The sane fringe candidate - He's a conservative named is John Cox.  I read an excerpt from this article on a blog - the part about sneaking him into the debate with fake journalist credentials - and ended up reading the whole thing so I'm sharing it here.

The Fred Thompson response to Michael Moore's challenge to a debate on healthcare. (Moore had been criticized for going to Cuba, Moore came back with something about Thompson's Cuban cigars and a challenge to debate.)

I don't imagine myself playing with Scratch, a new elementary programming tool for kids, but I can see how kids would have fun playing with it and I can definitely see it being used as a model for interaction in a lot of situations.  The video is quick and clear.  I predict it's worth watching so when you come upon a similar interface you can say, "Oh yeah, this is sort of like Scratch."

Speaking of clear explanations, Your Guide to Micro-Blogging and Twitter

Speaking of Twitter, Jason Kottke gives us a "best guess" comparison of the rate of growth in Tweets versus blog posts during the Blogger boom.

The Top Ten Myths of Divorce - This isn't religious or "family values" propaganda, though it probably could be.  Every one of them was news to me.

Speaking of religious propaganda, The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is looking for marketing ideas.

I've never had to answer a riddle at a job interview but given that this entry has over 500 comments, I may not be in the majority on that.

Digg has a new animation (infomation?) called Digg Arc. Explanation here.

Two chat bot programs talk to each other. What makes it most clear that they're not human is that they don't go on and on about themselves.

Speaking of machines that speak well but don't understand what they're saying, How Google translates without understanding

Speaking of artificial intelligence and the math of intellect, "[F]ruit flies may have a spark of free will in their tiny brains... Their behavior seemed to match up with a mathematical algorithm called Levy's distribution."  There's an algorithm that demonstrates free will?

Some of the UK's best-selling chocolate bars, such as Mars and Twix, will no longer be suitable for vegetarians. What's interesting about this to me is that I just got this in the mail:

Will,
I love Clicked. This came across my screen today.
The US Food and Drug Administration is considering a petition to change the "standard of identity" of chocolate sold in the US. Basically, chocolate manufacturers are lobbying for looser ingredient standards. They want to be able to use hydrogenated vegetable fats in place of cocoa butter, and milk substitutes in place of real milk, and still call their product "chocolate." 

To find out how you can help go here. We only have until June 25th, so check it out soon!

I say let them call it "NOT chocolate" or "Chucklate".

I realize that your corporate masters may not want (or permit) you to link to this in which case I understand and forgive you.
We all have to earn a living.

-Rich

I love the idea of "helping" chocolate. :)

Speaking of mail, Cityrag points us to an interesting blog by an aspiring paparazzo who describes what the market and competition is like. I can add that recently I happened to walk past a hotel in New York City where celebrities often stay and there was a huge crowd by the side door.  I learned that they were waiting for Christina Aguilera to leave the hotel to go to a concert on Long Island.  I hung around a bit taking pictures of the crowd and managed one of the back of her as she zipped to the limo.  After posting the photos to Flickr I got a note from a German celebrity mag asking for permission to use my shots and offering $75-$375 depending on how many and what size they used. I was just playing around, but if I'd known I could get $375, I probably would have made a greater effort to stand on the other side of the limo to get a shot of her from the front.  My point is, no wonder paparazzi are so numerous and so rabid.  There's pretty serious and relatively easy money to be had there.  (Though I said yes to the magazine, I haven't heard back. The shots are pretty worthless so that doesn't surprise me.  Makes for a good story though.)

Speaking of big money for a whiff of celebrity, did you even know that Julia Roberts is the AOL spokesperson?

The New York City tattoo convention is coming this weekend.  It's the tenth anniversary.  I went to the first and second ones but a lot has changed in tattoo culture in ten years so it'll be interesting to see what's new.  The reason I mention it is that I came upon an odd cluster of tattoo links recently:

  • This is the worst tattoo ever and a good reason to just get the Yosemite Sam that's on the wall and call it a day.
  • This story of a guy convincing a co-worker her Asian character tattoo actually says soy curd is funny.   (See Hanzi Smatter for real-life non-joke examples of this story.)
  • And it all called to mind that video from the other day (I linked to something else on the blog but you may have seen it) of using a Black & Decker power tool to remove a tattoo.  (Not sure what to use to remove the subsequent scar, a chainsaw?)

Climate change: A guide for the perplexed - I can't imagine reading all of this but it looks like a handy reference guide.

I don't know how new this is but I love the idea of Google keystroke commands and the timeline could be immensely helpful.

50 matches is a neat idea.  It only searches very specific social sites so the results you get are pre-approved by cool techie kids.  Hmm... now that I've put it that way it doesn't sound so great.  But it's definitely a good tool for when you're looking for a link and you know you saw it on one of those places but can't quite remember where or when.

Worst movie scenes ever.  Hard to argue with these, although I think I've seen worse CGI. NOTE: One category is "most random line" and it's a vulgarity, which is what makes it so random but you don't want it playing out loud in your office cube.

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Hi Will, Many Mennonites have long had a problem with the way the Left Behind novels portray Jesus. One Mennonite scholar in particular, Loren Johns (one of my seminary profs), has studied a bit on the subject of violence in the popular series. One article he wrote that you may find helpful on the subject is here: http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?1400 Peace! Dave
I can't believe how prudish people are about a SEXY FIGURINE! From the reactions I'd have guessed Marvel was printing rape-porn comics! Grow up people! I've seen sexier things on a Bratz doll.
You know, for most comic collectors, this is as close to a hot chick as they are ever likely to get. Please, have a little compassion, don't take this from them as well.
The figurine thing seems to me to be more about peoples ignorance of the fiurine market, then about the physical appearance of the figure. Pickup a copy of Diamond's Previews and you'd learn that this figure is tame in comparison to the rest of the market. Most people I've fowarded the image on to seem to react more to the visual of her doing laundry then to her outfit(which I see non-protitute/strippers wearing all the time. Visit your local campus and be amazed if you don't recognize that outfit) Also the idea of "sexy" Bratz makes me lol. Giant headed sex symbols.....nice one Charles. The "Climate Change" link bothers me....like it always does. My biggest problem has been the steady decline in recent years of sites offering counter arguemnts and explination to Climate Change. I don't know if they are leaving because of consipiracy, or legal action, or if its just that my concerns about the inadequacies of the Climate Change argument may ACTUALLY be unfounded. I only went through a few of the 26 topics, but its the computer model one that really upsets me. They talk about how trust worthy computer models are, because people can track the stock market with computers, so why is it hard to believe that they can track climate change. I would associate it with the belief that if you solve a crossword your ready to take on calculus proofs. If climate models were so accurate, then why don't we get anything longer then 10 day predictions from the local weatherman, when climate models are projecting out thousands of years!?
speaking of figures: presenting Zombie Spiderman http://www.marvel.com/news/toystories.1051?utm_campaign=front+page+tracking&utm_source=main+graphic&utm_medium=small+graphic+link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Ftoystories.1051
I'm voting for John Cox!!! (will he be on the FL ballot?!?!?) :)
Sad thing is I've seen Troll 2. You want really bad, watch Hobgoblins.
Can I get one of those MJ dolls full-sized, and anatomically correct?
I see the Mary Jane figure as more of a retro and fun look back at the old pinups of the 40's. Like this one. (It's safe, but perhaps sexist) http://dortch.supremeserver5.com/images/pinups%20Feb%2005/belle%20ringer.JPG
Will, I think people need to remember that Mary Jane Watson came from a troubled childhood, and as a reaction mechanism was a superficial party girl. I think the figurine looks just like any superficial party girl on any college campus in America.
As to the figurine thing, imagine how offended some of these people might be if they cracked open some of the actual comic books and got a load of how many characters such as Rogue, Jean Grey, Storm, and others are drawn and dressed. It's fantasy folks, and no more or less offensive than those silly "Axe" and "Tag" commercials that air every single commercial break. Yikes! As to the Muslim issue. I believe it's sad that it seems Americans float to one end of the spectrum or the other, being an American Muslim myself. If there is not complete racism and bigotry reflected in people's attitudes, there is an attitude of over compensation motivated by fear. All most of us want is to be treated like a normal human being. So what if we dress differently, or pray differently? I go to work, I love my children and my husband, I laugh with my friends, and I wince every time I hear of the loss of my fellow Americans brothers and sisters, and my fellow Muslim sisters and brothers. One of my favorite movie lines comes from a movie called "The Message" about Muhammed's life. In it the Christian king of Abyssinia says to the Muslim followers after hearing their testimony of what they believe, and drawing a line in the sand with his staff, "The difference between us is no greater than the line I have drawn here in the sand." It is incredible how complicated we human beings can make things for ourselves.
Hey Will, I've notived on the main page of MSNBC now we get little flags that say "NEW" or "UPDATED" when stories have changed. You know how sometimes you update a post, or maybe add something new, but don't change the main headline? Any chance you can get the IT wizards to flag your posts as "UPDATED" when that happens? Of course then you might get fewer pageviews, since I won't click the headline two or three times a day to see if anything new has been added......... Just a thought.
J. Schultz, wow, good find. Amazingly similar. Alex, MJ was also the girl next door though, certainly in Peter's eyes. That's what seems out of place about the figurine to me.
Randall, that's a good suggestion. From now on I'll add an asterisk to the headline for every time it's been updated since the original posting. Or at least updated significantly enough to warrant another click. I don't feel like I add that many updates and you'll still have to click through to see comments as they're added but you're right that it's worth having a system to note updates.
My biggest problem with the MaryJane figure is not that it's sexy, but that it's SEXIST. Come on, barefoot and doing 'her man's' laundry in a bucket? You don't see how some women might find that insulting and demeaning? What's next in the line: barefoot and pregnant MJ slaving over a hot stove? It's 2007, not 1950.
It is kinda funny that we are debating whether MJ would actually do the pose in question or if it's appropriate for her character-- as if she is somehow a real person. I guess when you are a big fan you feel you own the character on some level. Comic Books are fantasies, mainly for the consumption of young men (not that it is right or wrong, they are simply the main consumer). Men dream about being able to fly, having super strength, having x-ray vision, and being a nerd yet still landing the supermodel. MJ is the Virgin/Whore. The girl next door who is also the super-model party girl. Now she's married and she plays the role of a different male fantasy - the loving and devoted wife who washes your clothes and still has wild, hot sex with you. Do we really want to see Mary Jane as a middle aged frump?
I've seen this story about the MJ figurine popping up all over the place, and just don't get the uproar over it. MJ has always been a sexy character for a variety of reasons, and as a long time Spider-Man reader this just doesn't strike me as the least bit odd or demeaning. A woman being depicted this way says nothing bad or hateful about that woman, especially one as respectable as MJ is written; it just means she can be sexy and feminine AND be a cool character to boot. Calling it misogynistic is wrongheaded at best and I see no way that is portrays some kind of hatred or dislike of women (quite the opposite to me, who doesn't think finding a woman attractive objectifies her). Besides, it's comics. Disappointment with Frank Cho drawing sexy women is like being disappointed that Monet didn't paint airplanes.
Charles, the problem with comic books and the licensing opportunities derived from them today is that they are specifically marketed for a niche audience that is not large enough to support it. It is not about Victorian attitudes but rather how women are treated by the pop culture media in general, which is as little more than disposable meat-spitoons.
Jesus H: xrist almighty what a mata wichyu all!! Jeez
Somehow, I don't know if this comment will prove to be embarrassing, but here goes anyway. I see my own wife in that MJ figurine. I was a young man once upon a time (I'm 57) and I met this beautiful girl who looks just like MJ in the figurine. Oh, sure, she was "the girl next door" societal ideal. But I knew, and she herself proved it, that things aren't always as they seem. Outward appearances (what the public *wants* to see) doesn't define a person, and that certainly isn't the case with my wife -- and guess what? She doesn't want to be defined by those feminists who take umbrage at what she considers the sly truth depicted in the MJ figurine. While men (for the most part) wish they could be like Superman (or any comic hero) in both looks and abilities, women (for the most part) wish they were the sexy vamps who can cause men to turn into drooling idiots with a mere glance. I'm not going to get into detail, but I think any healthy relationship which becomes intimate is going to eventually lead to role-playing of the sort depicted by the figurine. I mean, c'mon -- doesn't anyone remember the scene where she kissed Spiderman hanging there upside down in the pouring rain? There was a lot of sexual subtext there on many levels, not to mention the fact of how the rain made her clothing cling a bit too much in all the right places. To make a long story short, my wife has given me plenty of those laundry room taunts over the years. Same goes for various other domestic situations (as it were); washing dishes while I helped with the drying, weeding a flower bed while I was pushing the mower sans shirt. These sort of daily drudgeries can (and should) often lead to...the reason that males and females were placed upon this earth. I'm not taken aback by the covers of Harlequin romance novels (so-called bodice-rippers) with the ever-present image of Fabio or his successors. They are fantasies. And that is what the MJ figurine represents. While my wife didn't get a "Fabio" in me, I certainly did get an MJ. By the way, the MJ figurines sold out, thanks in large part to the publicity created by those who would rather they never existed in the first place. Sort of like what the government has done for Michael Moore's new movie, "Sicko." It will now make a lot more money than if they'd kept silent about the thing. Good job on the part of Fred Thompson there, too. Oh, and my wife has never felt like, nor has she ever been treated like a "disposable meat-spitoon." That term alone is more vulgar than almost anything just short of a certain Larry Flynt publication. Egads!
Is this column turning into dear abby? First it is humorous videos that you feel so aghast about and now spiderman statues? what next, are you going to ban swear words from the internet and make everything "child" safe and rated G... SHEESH it used to be a great column
The MJ character has always been very confident and sexy, so wearing revealing clothes like short shorts and halters would probably fit her personality. However, the poster who mentioned the washtub is right. It's a silly setup and a silly pose, and MJ has too much good taste to wear ripped jeans, even around the house.
Would Mary Jane hand-wash Spidey's long-johns? Probably not. Would she pose for tongue-in-cheek photos of said activity to tease her hubby? Yep, that rings true to the character. I think I would be offended if it were Lois Lane depicted in the same scenario, because it just wouldn't be in the nature of the character. But for Mary Jane Parker, newlywed supermodel? It works. But while I don't have issues with the MJ figurine, I'd rather read a comic focusing on Lois. She's a more complex and interesting character, less like an idle adolescent daydream and more like a real person. There's nothing wrong with a little cheesecake, but a steady diet of it will rot your teeth.
well i think that thongs feel  great and i really thank who ever invented them


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