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Will Femia is a Weblog enthusiast who, through good fortune and dumb luck, was introduced to the form as his position as chat producer for MSNBC.com careered into obsolescence. On any given day, Will can be found having already spent an unhealthy amount of time squinting at a computer screen.

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The stupid wisdom of the stupid crowds

Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:02 PM by Will Femia

Every once in a while someone comes along and plays the role of troll to the Web 2.0 happy party. The most recent is Robert Gorman, blogging on the Britannica site about the shortcomings of Web 2.0 ideals. (Part 1, Part 2)

"This “wisdom of the crowds” and “hive mind” mentality is a direct assault on the tradition of individualism in scholarship that has been paramount in Western societies at least since the Renaissance and, before then, can be seen in the Church Fathers and the Greek philosophers, among others."

I usually skip these guys, but as often happens with online debates, I happened to read the rebuttal from Clay Shirky before I read his original argument so I had to backtrack.  Now that I've read it I'm pleased to report that I'm not in a panic about having to find a new field of work. Even Nick Carr, who can always be counted on to resist Web 2.0 Kool-aid euphoria doesn't go as far as Gorman: "So while I’m happy to line up on Gorman’s side in battling the hive mind fabulists, I’m not going to kid myself that it’s anything more than a sideshow."

Speaking of the dubious benefits of citizen reporting, I was inclined to believe the story of a woman harassed by airport security over a sippy cup.  I've had pretty good success so far at the airport with the baby's bottle, but generally I think the whole circus of airport security is misguided so my bias is to believe some of the horror stories we hear. So NowPublic, a citizen journalism hub published the report of this mother being harassed.  The TSA responded with a "MythBusters" report of its own including video and a copy of the incident report. The middle video on the page is 45Mb but is pretty amusing when it gets to the part where the police make the woman clean up the water she spilled and more to the point, it does seem to confirm the TSA report, not the NowPublic report, that the woman spilled the water deliberately. In his follow-up, Bill Adler, the NowPublic poster is pretty forgiving of citizen journalism and himself for only writing "the first chapter" of the story. Like many others, however, I feel considerably less charitable about the job he did.  Forcing government agencies to be more transparent by writing a factual expose is a win for everyone.  government agencies to be more transparent in order to disprove false reports by lazy citizen journalists is not a win for anyone.

Speaking of citizen participation doing more harm than good, here's that Obama crush music video you may have read about. The source is BarelyPolitical.com.  What's interesting to me is that a few political blogs I read saw the video and then had to confirm whether it was an attack ad.  I'm sure this woman is sincere in her fancy for Barry Obama but I'm less sure she's serving the candidate well with this video.

(And speaking of the presidential horse race, "Maybe I missed a memo or something, but why do we need a presidential campaign that lasts over two f****** years?"  When you consider the millions it takes to run for office and the percentage of those millions that go into media advertising, it's a wonder that the campaign ONLY lasts two years.  The campaign could be, and probably eventually will be, an unlimited media cash cow in the guise of public service.)

Speaking of ambiguous benefits of the digital age, contrary to the laughably narrow perspective of the AP article, viewers who want a free look at Sicko are not out of luck just because YouTube pulled it.  Duh. It looks like it's quite comfortable in the Pirate Bay top 100.

More interesting is an angle the cable folks have been taking in their coverage of the story today that it could be construed as a political attack - an effort to undermine the financial success of the film. There's probably equally valid speculation that it was his supporters who put the film up there to help distribute the message. I'd be interested to know how many theaters will be showing this movie.  Significant to the story is Moore's views on illegal trading of his movies.  "As long they’re not doing it to make a profit off it, as long as they’re not, you know, trying to make a profit off my labor."

Speaking of Sicko, A panel of anonymous physicians coughs up secrets of the trade.

Citizen mission control?  "A Palatine mom got quite a shock when her baby monitor started picking up broadcasts from the International Space Station."

"The Justice Center has been evacuated eight times in three years, forcing the evacuation of more than 400 people.  If the problem continues, it will result in a ban of all microwave popcorn." You just know there's one guy there who can't seem to get the hang of the microwave popcorn thing and is single-handedly responsible for all eight evacuations.

Why the question of global warming is moot. The guy in this video finally gets to his point just before minute 8: The risk of not acting outweighs the risk of acting.  To be honest, I was expecting something a more profound, and the last minute of it gets a little sappy (but hey, I'm still linking to it, right?). I know I have a few readers who pay attention to skeptical perspectives on global warming so maybe one of you can tell me how much of a straw man argument this guy is setting up.  As I understand it, the reason for debate over climate change has a lot to do with power and how much of it to give to environmentalists.  I don't think anyone disagrees that a greener planet is a nicer one whether the globe is warming or not.

Here's an example: Freedom, not climate, is at risk - His point is that hysteria about global warming takes us away from the facts of the matter and ends up with a set of laws and restrictions that don't necessarily help the environment but do restrict our freedoms -- not unlike some anti-terror policies.

Speaking of which, Portrait of the Modern Terrorist as an Idiot. "Terrorism is a real threat, and one that needs to be addressed by appropriate means. But allowing ourselves to be terrorized by wannabe terrorists and unrealistic plots -- and worse, allowing our essential freedoms to be lost by using them as an excuse -- is wrong."

Speaking of the influence of fear, How children lost the right to roam in four generations - I'm not totally ready to by into my own "speaking of" introduction to this one.  There are probably other factors at play that keep kids closer to home.

Chinese Eye Tracking Study: Baidu Vs Google - These are always really fascinating and to be able to compare cultural differences in how Web pages are seen is a real treat.

How America voted.  It's an animated gif of a map of county-by-county election results since 1960.

G.I.s' Guide to Iraq (1943) - At the end of the entry there's a link to a similar guide from 2003.

Thing I'm watching instead of TV... Bust my ass - Actually, I think it is TV but I don't think it's available on my TV.  I watched the first few minutes and thought it was clever.

Another look at who's online and what they're doing.

YouTube has released a "Remixer" that lets you edit your YouTube clips, piece them together, add captions and then put the whole thing back into YouTube.

"Long ago, I learned a single sentence that sends obnoxious juniors away from me as fast as their little legs will carry them." I won't keep you in suspense: "Lean over to the child's watcher and, as politely as you possibly can, just say, 'According to the terms of my parole, I'm not really supposed to be this close to children.'"

Top 10 science fiction novelists of the '00s -- so far

A woman catches her own identity thief - It's a pretty exciting chase story but the ending isn't terribly satisfying.

Casting amazing shadows with piles of junk. (This is a neat blog to just surf from top to bottom by the way.)

New Batsuit and Joker car for the upcoming Batman movie.

Multi-penised, six-legged, two-anused piglet given silly name - I hope the editor won an office pool with that headline.

US prof plans to send message back in time - The fact that he hasn't already received the message (from the future) should tell him something. For me the MIT time traveler convention a few years ago put the whole matter of time travel to rest.  They held a welcome party for people traveling from the future and no one showed up (as far as they can tell).

Robot Chicken: Star Wars - Full Feature - I was skeptical, but laughed out loud twice in the first two minutes. "Full feature" means it's over 20 minutes long, so this might be a good one to add to the "what I'm watching online because TV is all summer reruns."

By the way, Paul Potts the opera guy won that British talent show. What I didn't realize was that he was up against a breakdance crew and a guy with a puppet monkey. (It's interesting to note that if you don't have a UK IP address you can't watch the video on the official show site.  "This content is not for viewing outside of the UK due to rights reasons.")

Speaking of finales, now that the show is over, Tony and Carmella are having a yard sale.

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I used to work for a major computer manufacturer in Texas.  After we had moved into a new research building, we had two fire alarm evacuations within two weeks.  Microwave popcorn was removed from all the vending machines by the next morning.  I wonder what the downtime costs would have worked out to.
Hi Will!
Your posts are interesting as usual. Since you put the Paul Potts video I've been thrilled by this guy's story. The response from viewers at youtube has reached epic proportions now. Thanks again for finding stuff.
I think Monica Emmerson owes a VERY public apology to the TSA!! It is so obvious she completely represented her actions with the cup. If she spilled it by accident, she wouldn't have shaken it out... What a crock. Hope she has no chance of ever getting a security clearance again. Thanks for linking to the video!
Instead of removing the popcorn or banning it, why didn't they do a RF leak check on the Microwave?
I watched the tsa video and tbh, the lady seemed a little put off and irritated from the second video, but holy crap!  ITS A FRIGGIN SIPPY CUP.  Get over yourselves TSA.  She was kept there way longer than she should have been for something as stupid as this.  Even if she did it deliberately, which it appears she did, and was being rude, which it appears she very well might have been, the TSA should have taken the high road, made her empty the cup, and move on.  
2 things stand out to me.  The older white guy who is squatting and looking to make sure she didn't miss a spot smacks of pettiness, and the first video shows the posture of one of the TSA agents slumped over the little desk she has, obviously bored out of her mind and waiting for anything to break the mononity.  Looks like they found something that would.

As for Obama girl, I guess if shes courting the 'cheat on your wife with me' vote, she succeded.
Will, why does TSA have to spend its (make that OUR) money rebutting the statements made of a FORMER Secret Service Agent?  No charges or suits were filed, so why are they working on a media strategy? And the video, IMHO, seems to confirm her description of events.
I guess it depends on where you grow up, but when I was a kid (50's and 60's), my friends and I would go all over the place.  We would walk anywhere within 2 or 3 miles, and take our bikes for longer rides.  We would often go 4 or 5 miles to places to swim or camp out.  So, I think it has been much less than 4 generations.  Thanks for the great links.
So interesting about the amount of space kids have to roam in now.  I was sent out of the house and told to come home for dinner, could have been anywhere and sometimes I was.  The reality now that I have a kid is that I worry that he'll be abducted, or that he'll be hurt somewhere and I won't know where he is. Then there's the fear that if something did happen, or he was out by himself, DYFS might take him away from us for not watching him.
Hey wil if you want to see the last 5 minutes of the opera guy, Paul Potts, check it out on youtube, they have a 'video response' to the original clip you featured.
Every time I read about "the wisdom of the crowds", I have to ask: Where is the long list of significant human advancements created by a "wise mob", as opposed to an individual or a small team of experts?

Can anyone point me to such a list?

I'm looking for mob art (visual art, music, poetry, literature, whatever).

I'm looking for mob scientific advancements (physics, chemistry, medicine, biology, etc.).

I'm looking for philosophical works that challenge the human mind and expand its horizons.

How about technical achievements?  I'm not talking about a moderate variation on existing technology (Linux, after all, isn't anything new, it's just a slight modification on how other operating systems are built, for example), I'm asking for something that has revolutionized some aspect of life.  Fire, the wheel, bronze, steel, wood-pulp paper, printing presses, glass-blowing, transistors, radio, telegraph, telephone, even the Internet and the Web, where are the comparable inventions/revolutions from the "mob mind"?

I read about the wisdom of the mob, and I ask these questions.  Can anyone answer them?
Gus,
Nominations:
Linux
the entirety of the web

Honorable Mention:
Wikipedia (depending on your point of view)
There is one major advancement in science that was truely the colaboration of several Physicists and that is the quantum theory.  One cannot tag quantum theory on just one person, instead it was widely developed by several scientists over the corse of decades.  Even today the quantum field is ever expanding and in truth many don't even know the basics of the theory, which IMHO is probably one of the most elegant philosophical ideas ever created.

For a more well known philosophical idea how about democracy, it by definition is "power to the mob" and while you might be able to track down several individuals who could of created the idea of democracy, you would be hard pressed to prove that they were intirely and island of thought to themselves.

Many advancements are rarely claimed by a single individual, who can say without fault that he/she was not building off another previously existing idea.  All the internet does is just make this point more appearent to the current culture than in past cultures.
Your comment regarding lazy citizen journalists seems a bit misguided in light of the fact that publishing unconfirmed propaganda from our government as fact has become the standard for American journalism. Why do you expect that citizen journalist should be held to a higher standard than the professional press? Did they earn the right to their laziness by attending journalism school? Laziness and lack of competent investigation of stories may be a real problem but I don't see any evidence that it is confined to non-professionals.
I went through Logan airport on Sunday and witnessed the TSA staff asking an older lady to remove her fake hair and put it through x-ray.  She was quite obviously mortified to have to do this, but did so with great dignity.

I understand the need to protect people from harm, but asking a woman to remove her hair... I don't know... that seems a bit more than necessary.
Cyber-cliques destroy the usefullness of these collaboration tools.  They organize and flood these systems with data biased towards their beliefs.  Other groups do the same.  

Moderation is required, but moderation kinda defeats the point!

Web 2.0 is more like Web 1.0.0.1.  A blog is a goddamn web page for people too stupid to use text editor and an FTP client to make a discussion page they own.

Meh.

Just a thought about the never-ending Elections here in the US. The more I read about the Parlimentary systems in Canada and England (among others), the more I like it. Elections aren't fixed and can happen anytime in a five-year period. That way, for the most part, the longest a campaign lasts is 60-90 days. By the way, how much work is getting done while our presidential candidates/govenors, legislators are participating in their ongoing campaigns?
Brian. You are right that quantum physics and the advancements that have been made in that field have been made by a group of physicists and not just one single individual just like most sciences; however, that group of people is a very small unique group of experts that for the most part have spent years learning concepts, exploring ideas and experimenting  with hypothesis. They by no means are the 'mob' or general public.
This is also true of inventions and concepts that are not 'original' ideas but improvements upon older ideas and concepts. It is usually a person with a unique perspective due to their varied experiences through life that makes those improvements. Again not the mob.

And democracy while being 'mob rule' is not and has not been practiced in its truest form by any government in history. The USA is a democratic republic not a true democracy it just incorporates some of the principles of democracy.

You are also correct that the Internet does point out that alot of improvements/advancements/invention in science & industry are built upon ideas that were originally created by others; however, I believe that Internet and the vast majority of the people pushing the wonders of the internet have lost the fact that advancements are made by experts and not by the 'mob intelligence' that the Internet provides.
I suppose that Natural Selection is the epitome of the wisdom of crowds.  Its accomplishments are impressive, given the fact that it started with only lightning and primordial soup, but inasmuch as its crowning achievement to date is dolphins, well, I guess that's sorta cool. On the other hand,it also produced these talking monkeys . . . .
If you watch the TSA video for a bit after she dumped her cup out, you'll see a frail elderly woman being helped as she walked right through where the water was. What if she had slipped in that water and had gotten hurt? It's for that reason I side with the TSA - that could have been a real nightmare!
Microwave popcorn is banned in many medical buildings, since the smell makes chemotherapy patients nauseous.
Gus,

I'd also include the new phenomenon of 'flash mobs' and some of the group performance art styled events I've read about like impromptu 'zombie invasions' in major cities...
Woo Hoo
Power to the people! I, for one, hate the paranoia that the USA is being driven too. But, this 4th of July, on the mall, after the fireworks, there were thousands of people heading towards 14th st. The pace was quite good for that many people. Then it stopped because there was snow fence keeping us all in. DUH. What was that for??
Give me a break.
I cried out in a loud voice "Storm the Bastille"
And I like to think I was heard by the folks in front that trounced the snow fence and let us all out and on our way.
Thank you, you brave souls!!
Power to the crowd. Down with paranoia!!


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