http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspxI waited all morning (and into the afternoon) for the fine folks at Crooks and Liars to share the Stephen Colbert clip from last night in which he tears into Australian Prime Minister John Howard (after first tipping his hat in agreement) for criticizingen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55758Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:40:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55758DeeThose, I think, regarding Pink Floyd.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55813Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:36:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55813chriSoccer yobs actually kill people but don't tell the Euro's. They are still smugly assured they are better than us. Whatever....http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55826Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:50:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55826Jeff Cassens, Sausalito, CAWill - I'm pretty sure it's leave THEM kids alone. It would go better with the 'we don't need no education' line.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55827Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:50:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55827John Doe, Seattle, WashSpeaking of Speaking of, please stop all of the Speaking of. It's annoying. It makes me want to stop reading your column.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55829Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:53:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55829Steven VanThose kids.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55835Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:01:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55835Paul, Alamo, CAFrom http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 (Waters) 3:56 ... No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave them kids alone Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone! All in all it's just another brick in the wall. http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55845Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:07:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55845EMH, MissouriI believe the lyrics say 'them kids', but when the kids are singing in the second chorus it sounds like they are singing 'us kids' - which might be why it sounds funny. My husband says it's whatever is printed in the lyrics, even if it sounds different. (grin)http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#55947Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:45:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55947Brian in MA"Can anyone settle this bet? In the Pink Floyd song, do they say, "Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone" or "Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone" or what? Does it depend on what version of the song you hear?" In the movie the captions say 'them kids' but I think in the live version they say both.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56042Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:06:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56042SeanRegarding the Pink Floyd song, I think it's both "Them" and "Those" depending on the verse (if that's the right word). The first time through the lyric it's "Them" and the second time "Those".http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56131Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:26:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56131Will FemiaPaul, I saw that link when I googled the line, but what kind of authority is that site? The Pink Floyd site has a few lyrics, but only for the re-released albums, not The Wall. What's interesting to me is that there is almost the same number of Google results for "hey teacher leave those kids alone" as there is for "hey teacher leave them kids alone."http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56157Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:35:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56157Will FemiaJoe, we covered that long ago and not only was it decided that readers are OK with me having a catch phrase but someone created a "Speaking of..." Cafe Press account that has it on t-shirts (http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Speaking+of/-/pv_design_details/pg_14/id_8960631/opt_/fpt_/c_360/)and mousepads (http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Speaking%20of/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.33343955/pNo_33343955/id_8958405/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_). I have one of the mousepads. (None of that stuff is official or in any way sanctioned by MSNBC.com.)http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56191Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:50:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56191LVWill, you happened to ask a question about my very first favorite song. The phrase is sung basically four times, and it's "them kids" three times followed by "us kids." I'm really excited about the tooth regeneration news: it's my medical dream!!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56263Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:37:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56263Beth, St. Louis, MOI think it's "them".http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56289Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:07:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56289SeanWill, As for the Pink Floyd reference, the song actually contains both "them" and "those".http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56422Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:06:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56422Paul, Alamo, CaWill, I have the album of the Wall. The printed lyric in the insert sheet matches what is on the site exactly word for word. I used the link so you could see the whole lyric. I think this is just copied off the album insert sheet. Regardless of where they got it, it matches the album. I note that one of the reasons people are often confused is that they are shouting that particular phrase. In concert, their voices were pretty ripped by that point (I suspect drugs may not have helped).http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56428Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:11:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56428Scott, Victoria, AustraliaI love it when Americans get all upset about people having a go at them!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56449Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:18:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56449Shelley, Princeton, NJI have to disagree with the Fashion4Nerds shoe advice. Sandals, with or without socks, are nerdware. In fact, sandals on men are a deal breaker for many (though not all) women. A less polarizing choice for summer feet would be lightweight canvas sneaks, like Vans or Converse.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56539Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:12:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56539Will FemiaScott, I confess I was surprised at myself for feeling that way.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56546Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:33:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56546Gary-OGotta agree on the Top Gear story - the video has been pulled now, by the way. However, who's the redneck here: the jerks who went down south looking to pick a fight - and then running scared when they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams - or the folks who were just trying to be left alone but who suddenly found themselves invaded by British snobs. I love the Top Gear program and jump at the opportunity to view ANY of their various videos across the web. This was way out of line and definitely not what I expect of them. And...yes...Alabamans may be rednecks, but their OUR rednecks. Leave 'em be.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56552Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:46:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56552HollyAlmost all of your comments have to do with the Pink Floyd song or the British/hick story (which isn't even on youtube anymore). WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ON PRISON RAPE? Everyone too scared to stand up about it? Too weak morally to say THIS MUST STOP? Too SPOILED and more interested in just dallying in the net-world to take a stand in the real world? Too vicious to CARE? Too titillated to CARE? Good for you to link to it Will, but even you sort of back away from it. http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56555Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:49:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56555Jodi, Nashville, TNIt's both those and them in Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2).http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56617Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:00:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56617Paul, Alamo, CA"I love it when Americans get all upset about people having a go at them!" - actually I personally never mind when people have a go at Americans or our President. But, a leader of another country trying to meddle in our political process using outrageous rhetoric is pretty bad. It is equally bad if our leaders do that in other countries, and they rightly get called on it if they try (of course, past Presidents were far more subtle). Unfortunately, this case just shows how far down Aussie politics have come when Mr. Howard cannot just state that he disagrees with Mr. Obama's position (and why), but has to dive for the gutter by stating that the terrorists are hoping for the Democrats to win. Maybe next time he can tape a commercial pretending to have had sex with Mr. Obama by making suggestive comments and winking...http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56638Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:19:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56638Gary, Pensacola, FLSean and Jodi are right - they use both 'them' and 'those' at different points in the Pink Floyd songs ....http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56664Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:36:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56664Sarah Hurst, Kansas City, Mo.Personally, I like the "speaking of" segues. Keep them coming! Secondly, it's amazing to me how many people are willing to ignore prison conditions without ever having been inside on. I had the opportunity to tour a prison in high school, and it made quite an impression on me. Our prisons, it seems to me, have lost sight of their main purpose as centers of rehabilitation. What chance do convicts have when they are released to the same world or worse than that from which they came with no new tools? I could go on forever about this, but our prison system absolutely needs an overhaul. Are there organizations out there that are taking up that purpose on a significant and meaningful scale?http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56676Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:46:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56676JohnJohnArguments over the exact lyrics in 'Another Brick in the Wall' in like Catholics and Lutherans argueing over the Bible. Anzways, whatever is printed is open to interpetation by the 'artists'. I think this confirms our propensity to create religions in the absense of one. What kind of monstrosities will the religions we are creating in the here and now be tomorrow... http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56679Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:49:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56679Will FemiaHolly, for what it's worth I did receive mail from people about the prison rape item. They just didn't comment here. It's a touchy subject. I mean, it's not like there are any major movements in the U.S. that follow a leader who had any compassion for criminals and sinners. http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56731Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:45:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56731dj mitchell stuttgart, arboth them and thosehttp://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56736Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:49:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56736Paul, Alamo, CAWith regard to prison rape (and conditions), this is not a compassion issue. Legally, prisoners are supposed to be treated free of "cruel and unusual punishment". It would seem that refusal to protect prisoners from such acts is cruel and certainly unusual in a modern society. That is, the founder's model would suggest that they are protected in the same way that people on the outside are (in terms of safety, food, shelter, health care, etc), but not coddled. I think the real problem is that politicians are afraid of appearing to "coddle criminals" (or the term favored in attack ads is "soft on crime").http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56745Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:00:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56745Bill, Gastonia, NCI googled: "leave them kids" "pink floyd" = 16,600 results "leave those kids" "pink floyd" = 12,600 results I can't decide what this means. Also speaking of prison rape, it is outrageous.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56749Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:06:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56749Matthew, Detroit, MichiganWill--I've been saying for quite a while that sports cars are an obvious use for hybrids. Electric motors provide full power at any speed--and thus, strong acceleration--and acceleration is where normal cars guzzle most of their fuel, so sports cars are inherently fuel-guzzling (because what's the point of a fast car if you barely ever touch the gas pedal?) Add to this the fact that sports-car-seekers are inherently inclined to want something different, unusual, and technologically-superior, and they're willing to pay premium prices for it, and hybrid sports cars seem like a no-brainer to me. But then, I suppose there is probably plenty of market research that could explain to me exactly how wrong I am....http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56847Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:40:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56847Mr. PersonI've got the "Speaking of . . ." mousepad too!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56865Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:51:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56865Bryan, Indianapolis, IN.It's both "them" and "those". Everybody wins!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56891Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:14:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56891Libby Sinclair, Madison, AlabamaI live in Alabama. I have yet to see as many "rednecks" here as I did when I lived in NYC, Milwaukee, Chicago, San Diego and Dallas. It really irks me that everyone has to be politically correct (ridiculously so) at times to avoid insulting a particular group, yet all it takes on TV or in the movies to point out which character has the lowest IQ is to make sure they have a southern accent...and usually an awful fake, at that. Even the "good" cartoons for kids seem to use this ploy. Rant over.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#56971Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:17:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:56971Brad, Colorado Springs, COWow, lots of comments, anyways, the oscartorrents site is created by "The Pirate Bay". The movie companies are not giving them away for free, they are probably seeding some fakes to collect IP addresses for the future though. While downloading digital data is not technically stealing, it is still contributing to or a form of copyright infringement. You wouldn't want to take a few cents from the millions those actors and producers make, would ya. heheh. Hope that helps with the legality question.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#57076Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:02:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57076Linda, Haverhill MARegarding Another Brick in the Wall (My most Favorite album and movie!!) Depending on which version they say, Leave the kids alone , leave us alone. The lyrics I have don't have them or those in them. Doesn't mean mine are correct though. Maybe we hear those and them when they are saying the and us??? http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#57103Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:55:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57103James, Corona, CARegarding the Top Gear piece (and I love the show by the way, wish I could see it on a network here) I agree with the sentiment that if you go looking for a fight and then it actually happens, you shouldn't be offended or upset that others get upset. I was actually more upset that they knocked our food then our people. You are really going to make the arguement that English food is more edible?!? REALLY?!?http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#57142Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:37:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57142Randall K, St. Louis, MOI can't say it definitively, but it seems as thought you should change the title of this entry "Leave them Hicks alone"!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#57147Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:46:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57147Jessica, SLC, UT1) I have to disagree with Shelley, sandals on guys are great! 2) It those and them and us. 3) Don't go to prison in the first place. 4) Rednecks are everywhere.http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#57248Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:52:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57248Scott, Victoria, AustraliaWhat the American public don't realise is that John Howard's comments actually had nothing to do with you. He has an election against a well liked opponent coming up, so of course he falls back on the old "I'll keep you safe from the baddies!" ploy all pollies love to use. Do you really think the Australian PM has any effect on your democratic processes?!?!?!http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/13/55689.aspx#58226Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:22:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:58226Dwayne, Tokyo, JapanThe UK has an abundance of white trash--where do you think all the American version came from? I've lived in England and the US. I've been "escorted" out of Evanston, Wyoming by several truckloads of locals. I've been threatened with harm on a London commuter train for answering chit chat with an American accent. I also been chased in Manchester for not being local. Beckham is a Northerner with a mullet, who happens to be decent at football. As the local Alabamans would have said, Top Gear had it coming. I like the show, but I agree with Clicked and the locals. That production was low class.